'Giants' slow to square off in first debate

By Sam Patten | Sep 12, 2020

Giant slaying is a tough business, just ask independent candidate for the U.S. Senate Max Linn, who introduced himself to voters during Friday night’s News Center debate as the modern day equivalent of David vs. twin Goliaths. Oddly enough, it was the independent candidates who made the first in a series of match-offs between contenders in one of the country’s tightest Senate races an enjoyable listen.

Best performance overall goes to another independent, Lisa Savage, whom Sen. Susan Collins agreed with at least twice during the hour-long debate. Savage’s answers were tight and she gave the best sense of being “in touch” with voters of anyone on the stage. As a conservative, many of Savage’s positions are antithetical to anything I believe could actually work, but she sounded so reasonable.

The giants, as Linn called them, Collins and Maine House Speaker Sara Gideon, stuck to scripted campaign messaging. When you pay tens of millions of dollars to hammer in just a few arguments, it makes little sense to talk about anything else. Still, it sounded like both were reading from their own ads at times. But their attacks on one another gave a sense of where they see the battle lines.

Gideon went on stage with a mission: tie Collins to Trump. She asked the senator whom she would vote for as president, and Collins employed an artful dodge that highlighted her statewide bus tour during which not a single Mainer, she said, needed any help deciding the top of the ticket. Throughout the back and forth, Gideon repeatedly accused the Republican senator of being unable to stand up to the president, implicitly reminding of her votes to confirm Bret Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court and acquit Trump of impeachment charges.

Collins countered by asking Gideon if she would have voted to confirm Chief Justice John Roberts, which caught the younger woman off guard and saying she’d need time to study the issue. This of course is funny since Roberts has been presiding over the high court for nearly two decades; if Gideon hasn’t formed an opinion on this, where else is she without fixed views?

Even though Gideon may have a few points' advantage over Collins in recent polls (an AARP survey reported by the Bangor Daily News on Wednesday showed them in a virtual dead heat), the onus was still on her to deliver a memorable blow or two in the first debate, and if she did, I missed it. The challenge for Collins was to show — without appearing to be arrogant — that she’s actually taken concrete steps to address many of the problems others are talking about in the abstract. How effective she was at this remains to be seen.

Would there have been more sparks between the two “giants” if the moderators hadn’t had to spend so much time trying to keep Linn on topic? I just Googled him in the hopes of taking a look at this “never before seen in American politics” website (to which he referred incessantly), but the first page of search results was all about whether he was dropping out of the race. Perhaps SEO has something to do with why his fabled site has not yet been seen.

Getting on the debate stage as an independent is no small feat. I fought for this in Maryland on behalf of a non-aligned candidate only to have Hurricane Sandy cancel us out just as soon as we’d gotten the big fish to agree to share the stage with us. Hopefully in future debates, we’ll see more interaction between the main contenders.

Sam Patten is a recovering political consultant who was raised in Knox County and worked for Maine’s last three Republican senators.


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Comments (4)
Posted by: Reade Brower | Sep 14, 2020 13:41

Jack Lane's content is "fake". Snopes:

In point of fact, the essay’s true author appears to be a Facebook user named Tim Besmer Sr., who posted it to his page on April 2 with a copyright notice in his own name and the words “Permission given for public sharing” appended. At that time, the post was labeled “False” by Facebook’s independent fact-checking partners.

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Posted by: Reade Brower | Sep 14, 2020 13:40

Jack Lane's content is "fake". Snopes:

In point of fact, the essay’s true author appears to be a Facebook user named Tim Besmer Sr., who posted it to his page on April 2 with a copyright notice in his own name and the words “Permission given for public sharing” appended. At that time, the post was labeled “False” by Facebook’s independent fact-checking partners.

We have not been able to ascertain who added O’Reilly’s byline to the essay, but within days of its initial posting a version appeared containing both Besmer’s name and O’Reilly’s, followed by variants attributed to O’Reilly alone.

In a statement to Snopes, a representative for O’Reilly’s website confirmed that “Bill O’Reilly did not write a single word of the essay in question,” adding that the pundit “does not traffic in conspiracy theories.”



Posted by: Jack Lane | Sep 14, 2020 10:14

China’s Bio weapon, and Pelosi…. by Bill O'Reilly

 

My wife Angie will tell you that I study history and world events fluently [sic] every day.  I have studied China for many years.  To get answers I need to [ask] questions; I call many I know in Washington on Capitol Hill (from my tenure on two Presidential campaigns and Presidential talks [interviews?]) and I ask them for straight up answers to better understand what affects us as a nation.  Well, in 2016 America elected a new Sheriff: Donald J Trump.  For decades the Chinese walked all over America but the new President said “not anymore”.  Trump literally strangled China’s economy to the point their economy was in its worst free fall ever.  Trump negotiated a new $50 billion trade agreement.  He had Xi by the proverbial balls.

America’s economy was on fire and unstoppable.  President Xi Jingping knew he could not beat the USA militarily and he knew any domesticated economic attack would fail as our economy was too strong.  He had to act.  But how?  Enter the USA democrats led by Pelosi and Schiff.  Impeachment: A hoax; A distraction for our people and [our] President.  Xi Jingping and his thugs see this.  They aren’t stupid.

They have very intelligent, intellectual thinkers in their government.  Now you must understand, the Chinese regime [the communist party] are truly Barbarians.  Notice I did not say ALL CHINESE.  The Chinese people are a good people.  I enjoy my interactions with them.

The communist regime has millions of its own citizens slaving in gulags simply for speaking against the government or openly practicing Christianity.  Knowing they could not attack us openly they needed to be coy, like a deceptive fox.  In my opinion, I believe the regime released a biological weapon upon the world that doesn’t kill everyone, but kills “enough”, especially the elderly and in-firmed.  Back in WW 2 Hitler thought the same way.  He got rid of what he considered the useless and rejects of society. [Emphasis, mine.]

Trump’s task force uses models to figure things.  Xi used and uses “models” too.  China's president figured that if he killed a few of his own (a few hundred thousand to them would be a few out of 1. 4 billion people) and spread the virus to other nations (especially to the USA) they would “level the economic playing field” and not have fired a shot. Losses of his own people were acceptable costs of a new war.

When China’s own doctors attempted to sound the warning, they were immediately silenced.  In fact, one died and another has simply disappeared.  Trump and the other allied leaders indeed KNOW this is what happened.  They [the communist regime] have under-reported their own deaths.  Trump knows he cannot outrightly seek retribution. His news conference today showed me this when he balked publicly about no outright retribution over Xi’s handling of this, and he immediately brought up the “trade deal”.  However, Trump wasn’t being weak; he too was now being coy.  We know this was a biological weapon.  The food market story is bullshit.  Xi knows we know it.  Trump also today announced he sent two [carrier] battle groups of  destroyers and other ships to sea several days ago to ‘fight drugs and rogue actors’ like Iran should they try anything.

I say he did this to show Xi he knows what has transpired (we have the greatest intelligence assets) and that they (the Chinese) should rethink further action.  Politics is premier.

We cannot overtly attack China for what they have done, as we would also suffer greatly [were war to result].  We all know this.  But China has temporarily achieved its goal.  America was literally consumed by Trump’s phony impeachment brought by the ultra-left democrats (supported by democrat rank and file and one Republican Mitt Romney); and Xi Jingping saw an opening.  He took it.  Xi did what Trump usually does... he walked onto the world stage and threw a grenade into the “room” and left.  It exploded in the form of this worldwide pandemic.  It brought the USA and the rest of the world to its knees and leveled the economic playing field.

Our economy is now near depression.  Xi didn’t fire one bullet.  Trump needed to up his game of chess, and putting our Naval ships to sea was his next move.  He said he is a “war President”.  He is.  But now, on not one but two fronts.  One front is the virus and the other front is the Chinese.  While the Saudi’s and Russians are screwing with oil prices they aren’t overtly doing what this pandemic is doing.  The drug smuggling story for dispatching the Naval Force is bullshit and the world knows it.  I am of the opinion Trump can indeed bring us back from this catastrophe albeit with a changed playing field.

But Trump is a genius in chess and financial matters.  He’s become a champ at international politics too.  I am sure Trump can once again lead the economy to even stronger strength and greatness than it was.  He can do it quickly; I’m sure of it.  He has proved it.  Xi Jingping needs to be sent a message loud and clear: NEVER AGAIN.  We need to bring all of our critical manufacturing back from China beginning with [the] medicines they were recently threatening to withhold.  We can do it immediately.  Again, another reason for Trump putting to sea such a sizable Naval Force.  Sending a clear message.  We all must ride out the next few weeks.  Then we and the world, pick up the pieces and move on.  The democrats, who have given Xi this opening wrapped in a bow, must pay a heavy price in November, as they (the democrats) truly have cost and continue to cost America precious lives by the phony scandals.  Nancy Pelosi continues to help the Chinese by her daily shameless attacks upon the President and meddling in stimulus packages as she did this last weekend.  Yesterday’s statements she made were truly appalling and the lowest of low.  I didn’t think she could go any lower.  What a disgrace she is to our nation.  But, Pelosi aside, make no mistake, China must and will be taught a lesson, the likes they have never seen before, and Trump is the man to pull the trigger.  We the people must teach the democrats the same lesson at the polls.  They (the radical wing of the party) are the enemy of a free America.  I am certain of it.  The entire democrat party of our forefathers is dead.  Remember people, Trump indeed tried to warn us all of the Coronavirus in his State of the Union Speech.  He spoke of it.  He said he was on top of it. After he spoke , Nancy Pelosi ripped up the speech calling Trump’s words “a manifesto of lies”.  She disgraced the country and all of our fellow honored citizens present in the House Chamber.  Well, she now has American blood on her hands.  She is very majorly responsible for these needless [covid] deaths as well as the Chinese.  Her [sic] and Adam Schiff.  he left and democrats laughed as she tore up his speech.  Well, as they laughed, the disease he just spoke of in that speech came to our shores.  Republicans and Democrats alike are now dying.  Your family members and mine.  Our grandparents and middle-aged citizens alike.  Our liberty is for the most part, suspended.  As we bury our dead (without proper funerals) from this calamity, let’s drive … nails into the coffin of the Democrat party as well in November [by voting Republican, across the board].  It’s time people.  Stand up for your rights and your country! Our Liberty and survival is at stake!  I am praying for God’s blessing on our nation.  But, God also gave us the ability to think for ourselves, and it’s time we placed blame for all this death where it belongs: on the doorsteps of Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff and Xi Jingping directly.  Wake Up America.  WAKE UP!



Posted by: Paul Sheridan | Sep 14, 2020 09:00

"...As a conservative, many of Savage’s positions are antithetical to anything I believe could actually work, but she sounded so reasonable...."

Sam Patten:  then maybe you need to look at some of your "beliefs," Mr. Patten??



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